Freelance Designers?

[mytoyo]

Hi I'm currently a small multimedia business owner trying to manage a business and its a task in itself. I'm looking specifically for a highschool freelance designer, who is inspired motivated and imaginative.

Although from the start this will not be a paying position it can evolve into one but i do not guarantee it. What i do guarantee is experience and the ability to showcase your work with out any fancy contracts or copyright laws to go by.

Simply put i'm looking for talent in need of experience.
-Marvin

[Nicholas]

You don't say much else - Can you be more specific? Just wondering, why highschool freelancer?

[rucker]

Hello mytoyo:

Among other things, DesignContest.net was created to give budding freelancers a resource for exposure, experience, and some extra cash. When you pose an offer that goes against that philosophy (offering volunteer work as a 'job'), you violate our mission. I've brought this to the attention of the other moderators, and the Administration.

Thank you for joining DesignContest, and I hope you host a contest with us soon!

[_Redrum]

I'm just curious, if someone does join your company and they don't get paid for a project, would that be because your company didn't get paid either? or are you looking for people who just don't mind working for free?

Either way, I must agree with bjrucker, this isn't the best place to recruit designers with talent since most of them are on the Design Team and receive everything you've mentioned as well as occasional prize money.

I would suggest a course of action that's quite the opposite of what you've done here, which is: pitching the idea to people who don't have access to websites like this (or simply don't know about them). Such individuals are much more likely to accept your proposal.

Good luck in your search.

P.S. Would you mind telling us the name of your company?

[mytoyo]

bjrucker:
I certainly dont want to cross that line and violate any rules that have been imposed. But i disagree with your statement regarding "(When you pose an offer that goes against that philosophy )" , this your philosophy. Most likely you have had experience and have published work before right?

You have to be considerate of other designers and their philosophies, this is why i specifically stated i was looking for a highschool freelance designer.

If you refer back to your own statement you will notice that the person i'm looking for falls within your own philosophy

Among other things, DesignContest.net was created to give budding freelancers a resource for exposure, experience, and some extra cash.

thanks for being considerate.
-Marvin

[nevadabadgirl]

Even when I first started out, I never worked for free. I would just do things for myself and friends and build a portfolio from there.

My son is a budding high school freelancer, and I would never allow him to work for free....not for a company. There are too many ways to build a portfolio than to work for someone for no pay at all...not even a chance at a prize.

My thought, if you have a company, and it is getting paid (possibly not profitable, but being paid), and you have so much work that you need help, you should hire them, not try to get someone to do it for free.

[illumina]

If you own a multimedia business, I'm assuming you are making money from it.
I would like to know if you will be recieving money from clients from these childrens designs?
I would also like to ask if this is the case, please edit your post, and look elsewhere. We, the DC administration, do not stand by this kind of thing, and we certainly will not encourage it, especially to young and impressionable kids. As an adult it is your responsibility to protect their interests, not exploit them. As a parent, I am appalled at such a concept.
Your argument on other designers philosophies holds absolutely no merit, because you are seeking inexperienced designers, their philosphies are different simply because they havent had the experience, and are desperate for work, not realizing that ventures such as this do not ultimately help them, they dont realize this because of the lack of experience. As a designer it is my responsibility to help educate and make other more inexperienced designers aware, not just to help them, but to help the industry I am in, an industry choked with people taking advantage of the inexperienced and ultimately making my line of work difficult, devaluing something that takes up a lot of my time, skill and effort. This is one of the main philosophies of DC, to educate, help, and encourage young inexperienced designer to make the right choices and the right decisions in order to become successful doing something they love to do, and to allow this would be to go against the websites purpose.

So once again, I ask for you to reword your post, making it clear on the benefits you and your company will get, if none, please explain why you are giving designs away for free.

The name of your company would also be helpful, thanks.

[mytoyo2k1]

How can i reword or edit my post when you guys savagely ban me for ever from this forum? I'm not here to exploit take advantage or do any of the evil things your obviously being presumptuous, you are taking YOUR experience and your being a hypocrite because you dont even know anything about me or my company and your already labeling me and accusing me.

I registered again to let you know i wont come back here, i dont have to but i did to say this. FEAR competition because i will COMPETE not take advantage COMPETE theres a big difference all of you have not recognized.

oh for your information illumina i'm 24 years old

in your eyes you will have less to eat because i'm an evil no good person

[illumina]

First, I did not ban you, second, I have shown absolutely no interest in your age whatsoever, and third, taking advantage of children (high school kids) by using them for work you will not pay them for is NOT acceptable. Especially when you will be using their talent, time and skill to profit yourself.
You have refused to answer this question consistently. Are you going to profit from these childrens designs, or are you simply giving their designs away for free to people?
If profiting, they deserve compensation for their time, if not, then "business" is an inadequate description of your company, "organization" would be better, also if not, why are you giving designs away for free?

[mytoyo2k1]

With 7 replies and 70 views you sound like this thread is being broadcast thru stations across the US.

I will disclose any information you'd like but first you need to let go of this defensive mode your in.

You are being stubborn and judgemental.

I believe in Karma

So please drop the attitude.

[illumina]

How many people see this is irrelevant, all throughout the internet there are people expecting young and naive designers to work for free, which damages the whole industry. DC simply doesn't encourage that, irrelevant of motivations.
You offered absolutely no information on your company, the work you wish people to do, what that work would be for, how much work you wish them to do, how many hours a week they should devote, and to top it off, you want them to do it for free. If you want this, the least you can do for any designer, who would be taking time out of their schedules, and devoting their talents to your company, is give an explanation. When you come onto a design based website and ask people to trust you without you disclosing any information, and demanding work for free, you are going to get questioned, trust is not given, it is earned. Deliberately holding back information that is important to the topic will earn no trust, and will cause people to question you.
You are asking for freebies from people, you at least owe an explanation on why they should spend time doing this, after all it is THEIR time you are asking for with nothing in exchange.

[Nicholas]

Yeah that taking advantage of highschoolers is pretty much what made me thing "why high school kids?"

Anyways - this post kinda freaks me out some

[apresico]

You never answered the questions. The reason why our team is being spectical about your offer is because we are a community here, and we look out for the best interests of our designers, even those whom are inexperienced. You say that our philosphy goes against our young designers philosphies, but in actual fact, our philosphy will help those young designers get experience in their field, while at the same time paying them for their efforts. Because these designers are inexperienced they sometime resort to doing work for multimedia business like yours without getting what they deserve. Volunteering is sometimes good, but for a designer, this will not aid them in their search for work. Many design companies want to see that you have been paid for your work, because it shows that you are working in the design industry and that you have value.

You also mentioned that the designer you choose will not have to worry about copyright or contractual agreements as if it is a good thing. These things are there to PROTECT designers, and should NEVER be so easily brushed off within a company or in any of the design industry.

To all of the young designers here in this community, please do not jump at the chance to do work for this multimedia business. It will ultimately not further your career and will also be a waste of your time and efforts. Plus, your work will not be protected from this multimedia company later on when and if they become bigger.

[mytoyo2k1]

Theres nothing more to say you guys are prejudice, i have been insulted and stereotyped. I hope you all take your multi million dollar contracts hire the best attorneys to "protect you" and are recognized for your philosophies, i'm sure you can sleep better this way.

You all contradict yourself when in fact the tool you all use to make money was obtain by not paying for the software and taking advantage of it.

[apresico]

Hope your business goes well. Goodluck, you'll need it with that attitude. Sleep better? Well, we can certainly sleep better knowing that we will actually be paid for work from a source which actually cares about designers. And about the copyright and contractual agreements, they don't JUST PROTECT the multi-million dollar business people of the world. They are in place to protect EVERYONE!

You are the one who is insulting. We never sterotyped you, we are merely looking out for the community here, and you have stated that you will not pay the inexperienced designer. What kind of philosphy is that? I have nothing more to say either except leave this forum.

[Nicholas]

What are you talking about not paying for the software and taking advantage of it? I spent a TON of money on adobe creative suite 2 that is fully registered. Same with 3DS Max.

The tool? lol - The website? It's meant to be taken advantage of. I love the fact that it's built for just that. It's a stepping stone to the next level of my creativity - the same for every other designer on this site! lol who said anything about multi-million dollar contracts? the most I've seen here is 300$ to the design the contest holder likes the most hehe.

You just really dont make much sense mytoyo - if you had more than 3 posts I would prolly take offense to what you have been saying to us, but you were here, and now you're gone. I won't lose any sleep over it!