My first Apple

After years of hesitation and lack of the funds to invest in a mac, I have finally ventured into the Apple territory and will probably never make another PC purchase.

I have had my Powerbook g4, 17" for a week now and the thing simply kicks my (what I thought was unbeatable) PC's arse.

Bluetooth technology rocks!

Cool,
I don't really like them myself, I like the design and all that, they
look better, but not being able to use all the fonts available
on the net and programs and stuff put me off.

Nice site by the way.

I haven't used Mac much myself and from that little experience cannot tell the difference. But is it true that powerbook cots you almost twice as much as a pc laptop of approximately the same configuration?

actually; no it isn't true.

If you get online and customize a PC laptop to even come close to the specs on the powerbook (good luck finding a 17" screen with millions of colors) and upgrading to an 80GB hdd, 128mb video card, and 1.5 gb of memory...etc, you are actually looking at almost identical prices...and with a friends/family discount or an education discount through apple, you can get one cheaper than most of the top of the line PC laptops (which still don't come close to being as powerful as the Powerbook is...this laptop kills my desktop system (both my custom built one and my top of the line Dell system) in every area of design, functionality, speed and ease of use.

Wow, you are living out my dream there buddy. I have been longing for a Mac. Enjoy it extra for me (lol), please that is all I ask.

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Lol!

Welcome to my world. I don't know what I would do without my G4!!! Support Apple Products.

apples sound interesting good luck with your one

im not fussy about the price of one i just feel that next year when i look to replace my laptop i would prefer a pc, only because of using the windows platform.
i have used it so long that i know all about it and can do many things, if i was to change to mac i would feel, well like another 'noob'

i would like to one day test them out but i dont think i could stand not having all the games and everything available also. havent looked into it much though.
saying that i dont mean i like the windows platform. afterall i have installed linux multiple times but also the hardware side of things. i wouldnt know how to open it up etc if it went wrong for a mac but i know my pc very well

anyone wish to shed some light on my queries?

Qeffects:
Check out Virtual PC for Mac
it lets you have a windows interface
and run windows programs on your mac...

http://www.microsoft...pc/VPC_Demo.htm

http://www.apple.com...ions/virtualpc/

Im really not that huge of a Apple fan. You can't really customize the pc as much as you want and you cant hack (from wut i know) but i hear there great for webdesign and such. I dont have a clue why tho

Their interface is far more better for designers, than windows is.

It's not just that; but its a part of it.

The hardware and the OS are designed with perfection to render highly complicated graphics much better.

In simultaneous comparisons with my 3 PC's and this powerbook, it outperforms them hands down when running Photoshop and rending the same exact graphics...etc.

that doesnt seem like a fair comparison at all really. you're powerbook is brand new and i dont really see any specs to compare to

also i dont really take the interface into account because if i wanted my windows os to look like a mac i would skin it easily. or just boot into linux which i use anyway because i like its stable os

but i dont think we are talking os's here are we? (i forgot to re-read above)

hardware wise, you would have to compare by specs and alot more. you cant really say it beats this or that just like that.

also i wouldnt want to run one of those programs on my mac because, if i wanted to run a windows program i would run windows right? to me as i said it just seems kind of cliche and the expected thing to do

dont get me wrong here i respect macs but i think its more hassle to change, and not many advantages

actually; no it isn't true.

If you get online and customize a PC laptop to even come close to the specs on the powerbook (good luck finding a 17" screen with millions of colors) and upgrading to an 80GB hdd, 128mb video card, and 1.5 gb of memory...etc, you are actually looking at almost identical prices...and with a friends/family discount or an education discount through apple, you can get one cheaper than most of the top of the line PC laptops (which still don't come close to being as powerful as the Powerbook is...this laptop kills my desktop system (both my custom built one and my top of the line Dell system) in every area of design, functionality, speed and ease of use.

Iam sorry, but really what a nonsens, i understand you're happy with your Mac but you're not backing anything up here.

I have a dual G5 mac and my pc (which costed not even half) kicks the mac ass in every benchmark, every tool, simply everything and not by an inch, by miles. Iam so tired of all the Mac fans just saying Mac is faster. All i have ever seen where a Mac was faster was on the G5 introduction with MacBenchmarks, provided, created and distributed by a Mac. Inmidiatelly after that the 'big' sites put them up against simular pc's and proved them totally wrong with every significant test out there.

Like i said in the other Mac vs Pc topic. I can't make an honoust comparison between my pc and mac (dual 3,4 GHZ, 2GB 4200DDR, Radeon X800 Pro 256MB, AX800 PRO/TD vs an Apple dual 1.8 Ghz, 512Mb DDR400, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra). Altough the Mac speeds don't stretch very far anymore (dual 2,5 Ghz, 512kb cache) and for a pc i can still go for a 4x3600, 2048kb cache) and still i would save money buying the pc. I can even throw in extra raid scsi disks 15.000rpm vs Apple 7200rpm. And with some good watercooling & hsf combi i can even tweak the fsb, cpuclock, memspeed, videocard..
Mac simply can't hold the devopment speed of the pc.

Let's make that ibook comparision with a pc laptop for example a simple customer Acer Aspire 1714SMI+, so not even a custom one (still cheaper than ibooks):

$2,799.00
17-inch TFT Display (equall but apple has a deadpixel problem)
1.5GHz PowerPC G4 (WAY slower, check EVERY benchmark)
512K L2 cache (slower)
512MB DDR333 SDRAM (less, and slower)
80GB Ultra ATA/100 (less space, equall speed)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (64MB DDR) (slower, less videoram)
Gigabit Ethernet (faster, not wireless though)
FireWire 400 & 800 (equall)
AirPort Extreme built-in (equall)
+ A few expension options, at Mac prices (mostly aged pc models with a mac tab)

$ 2177,49
17" SXGA TFT Active Matrix (equall but apple has a deadpixel problem)
Processor Speed p4 3.4GHz CPU (way faster)
512K - 1024 L2 cache (faster)
3072MB DDR (More)
Hard Drive 120GB (more space, equall speed)
Video Chipset nVidia GeForce FX Go5700 128MB (faster, more videoram)
Wireless LAN Built in Wireless LAN 802.11g 54Mbps (wireless, but slower)
+ Optical Drive DVD-+RW (not included in Mac price?)
+ Extra battery
+ Optical Logitech Mouse
+ 1000 of expansion options at independend prices.
+ Free 2 years Pick up & return support.
+ $500+ and a lot of extra time left while the apple starts rendering.


so that's just a comparison between a random picked 17" laptop.

And you goodluck with finding support for a new processor, mainboard, 256Mb videocard, hsf, etc and apple support in general.

Do a little search on the big sites like tweakers, anandtech, tomshardware, slashdot and so on and so on. Before you start shouting nothing beat an apple. And otherwise show us benchmarks. I can send you a MAX or Ae render and see which one of is done faster, iam betting my pc has it done 5 times as fast as your G4 ibook and iam not kidding, cause like said i compared those things with the dualG5.

Btw love your work

Let's not turn this into a Mac vs. PC flamewar. I don't think anyone's going to win any converts (I don't think anyone has ever won any converts by flaming on a forum). We each have our favorites and reasons for liking them, and that's pretty much how it's going to be.

Play nice

All I know is that I have 3 PC's in here along with this Powerbook and none of them work as fast as this machine does...when rendering the EXACT same graphics...not to mention boot times and major OS differences (where Apple absolutely kills any windows system).

I have been using this powerbook nonstop for a few weeks now and it outperforms my systems hands down...even my recently purchased Dell desktop system which has a hell of a lot better specs than this system does, yet my Powerbook has been outperforming it.

Go figure.

*In a monotone voice* Kill all PCs

Iam sure Mac-OS kills any windows system, it doesn't support anything as well (software wise), it also doesn't stretch (i bought a wireless router and an ipod, and now i need to buy a NEW OS-X, while i already had an older version of that OS-X, wow what a great OS). And for your information, not everyone is running Windows on theire PC, you're free to choose whatever OS you want and Os-X is nothing but a new unix rip as well (with the childdeseases). For a PC you need to have a little knowledge to configure it right though.
Btw Dell doesn't use quality components, pricefighters in the 'brand' ready made system industry usually use rejects from the big development companies. For comparison a Dell is filled with K-mart clothing, while custom pc's are filled with Giorgio Armani.

Anyway i'll stop the PC vs Mac thing cause no one is going to be convinced anyway, neither me or you and it destroys the athmosphere here as well.

Congratulations with your new computer, continue your great work

Anyway i'll stop the PC vs Mac thing cause no one is going to be convinced anyway, neither me or you and it destroys the athmosphere here as well.

Congratulations with your new computer, continue your great work

The atmosphere in here from this thread was fine until you found it necessary to begin making abrasive toned posts...etc. I was simply asking people if they had tried Apples (a lot of people who claim they hate em, have never really given them a chance (I was once one of those people)), and answered a few questions people had.

At the end of the day, my new Powerbook destroys any PC I have, or have worked on...even at my job or while on a contract position at a design firm.

Last thing.

My other two computers ARE custom built, with your so called Armani components; the Powerbook still seems to beat them though.

I don't know about you, but I know I love just plugging something into my computer and not having to install any software or reboot (which the only time I have done that is from updating the OS...and that was once).

As for the software support:

I have all the same software that I used to design on my PC's, as well as actually having more efficient and user-friendly software for many of the other things I use, so that is pretty much a cop-out. Office 2004 for Panther makes Office 2004 for PC look like absolute crap; so for all those people who wonder if they can use Office with the Apples...you can, and 2004 has Apple only features which are simply badass.

Bottom line is that the Powerbook G4 running Panther (and soon to be Tiger) performs much better with most of the design tools out there. The comparison with Photoshop CS and Fireworks MX 2004 when using the powerbook, or my PC's is a major difference.

The font manager, address book, iCal, iBackup, and the Finder features are the tools which put this over the top for me; I barely even use my PC's anymore.

I get to customize a new computer for my new job too now; Apple all the way.

I think I am gonna go with the PowerMac G5 dual 2.5GHZ